Why The Beatles Were Bad
Saturday, 25 November 2006
WHEN I was growing up one thing was patently obvious: young people were either this or that. Not a bit of this and some of that. It was black and white with no Grey.
It was whether you were a fan of ‘The Beatles’ or a fan of ‘The Rolling Stones’. It was that simple.
The end of the 1950s ‘mods’ and ‘rockers’ era, had a shift, such that if you were a ‘rocker’, you generally liked ‘The Rolling Stones’, and if you were a ‘mod’ you liked ‘The Beatles’. Prepubescent, good, and white girls were usually in with ‘The Beatles’, gathering around ‘Dansette’ record players and ‘Radiograms’ to listen to the new ‘Pop’ music on ’45s’, while boys liked ‘The Rolling Stones’.
Sure, that is an over-simplification, for example, boys seemed to either like football or music, and the division between ‘The Beatles’ and ‘The Rolling Stones’ was not merely about gender, but about attitude, clothes and youth identity and culture.
As a family, we were ‘cool’ (like ‘The Fonz’) — we were more ‘The Rolling Stones’ than ‘The Beatles’. And I am comfortable with that, in fact I am glad for that.
To this day I think ‘The Beatles’ are an over-rated pop group. They were in existence from what, 63 to 70 — 7 or 8 years? And they went from ‘She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah’ to ‘Revolution No.9′. It was a mess.
I HATE ‘Oblidioblidah’ almost as much as I HATE ‘Yellow Submarine’.
Oh! How could anyone rate this group? They were awful, they had zero ’street cred’ and they were merely the first to be exploited. If there is one thing that can be said about ‘The Beatles’ is that they were manufactured through-and-through. Because of ‘The Beatles’ we have the record business, the teen-pop marketing machine, the fashion tie-in, the posed magazine photograph, and the cheeky interview.
The crowds of screaming teenage girls invented by Sinatra’s people and groomed by the Presley camp, were simply moved on to the next thing — and this tradition continues yet.
On the other hand, ‘The Rolling Stones’ have continued — they still tour, they still sell lots of recordings, and they stuck to what was honest and truthful — themselves and their music.
‘The Beatles’ tried to be ‘cool’ and failed. They refused to accept their gongs from the Queen (what happened to those ideals, SIR Paul Mccartney??). Mccartney formed ‘Wings’ with his sad-looking wife, and launched with the worst and most childish gibberish ever imposed on the public. Lennon was even less talented, and his child-like endeavours were even less-well received than Mccartney’s. Ringo Starr did children’s TV voice overs and Harrison had a decent enough career away from the others.
- From their solo careers, it is patently obvious that ‘The Beatles’ were a creation. Whatever talent they may have had musically was early, manipulated and short-lived.
Probably the most amazing time in the history of music is the mid 1970s — when people could record on cassette tape from cheap radios and music centres, when synthesisers appeared, when types of music merged, when Progressive Rock was invented along with Punk, when the music business felt threatened by illegal taping, bootlegs, and the independents.
‘The Rolling Stones’ went onto even greater success, they exploited the laser shows, the big stadium gigs, the new instruments and recording techniques. The solo careers fitted the expectations and qualified ‘The Rolling Stones’ as a band of talent. Compare that with the same period for the solo careers of each ‘Beatle’! ‘C Moon’? ‘Mary Had A Little Lamb’? ‘Hi Hi Hi’???
Like so many manufactured pop bands, ‘The Beatles’ were short-lived and essentially cheap-throw-aways. They were cartoons, they were hairstyles, their songs should have been thrown away too; they are pop and therefore worthless.
George Martin was very talented musically and he managed to take whatever was chanced upon and make something of it. He has milked that cash cow long and hard ever since — and is a crashing bore as a result. It is a great pity he cannot take the credit he is due. On the other hand I wish he would just leave it all alone to fade away as it really should.
I am not advocating ‘The Rolling Stones’, but I am trying to correct the rewriting of history: people seem to have forgotten the ‘Stones vs Beatles’ thing. People seem to have forgotten that ‘The Beatles’ were not cool.
Sorry world, but ‘The Beatles’ were made out to be more popular than they really were. They milked the media machine dry. They had no competition (unlike the world today). Their fanbase was preteen girls.
We were cool; we didn’t like ‘The Beatles’ in our neighbourhood. Boys went on to like Led Zeppelin, Cream and Jimi Hendrix — album bands, and girls filled the vacuum left by ‘The Beatles’ with ‘The Bay City Rollers’ a couple of years later.
Pop acts like ‘Sweet’, Alvin Stardust, David Essex, Gilbert O’Sullivan, Leo Sayer, ‘Bony-M’, Gary Glitter, The Osmonds, The Jackson Five, David Cassidy and ‘Abba’ took over the pop scene.
Girls and the preteens were the ones buying pop — they listened to (and recorded) the BBC pop chart every week. Teen Boys refused to have anything to do with pop music — they NEVER watched ‘Top of The Pops’ — they watched ‘The Old Grey Whistle Test’ and ‘The Tube’.
Now you know why ‘The Beatles’ were bad — they had little talent individually and musically, they were pretentious and fake and created all that is pretentious and fake in the pop world. Time to step out, stop believing the bullshit and hype, stop following the revisionism, let the truth be told! ‘The Beatles’ were bad!
Friday, 1 December 2006 at 7:53 am
Well worth waiting for! Another fine posting. Food for thought and thoughts for dining out on!
Monday, 11 December 2006 at 12:52 am
The Emperor’s clothes!! Finally someone speaks out the truth!!! The Beatles were at best mediocre puppets. This a super blog!!!!
Thursday, 20 March 2008 at 1:44 am
This is one of the worst thing I ever read! The Beatles are one of the greatest things ever to the world. But take from me, take it from all those people fainting n the Beatles presence!
Thursday, 24 April 2008 at 11:14 pm
Modforlife. Just because you can sell a million albums doesn’t mean you have skill or luck.. It means a million people are dumb as F***.
This was a good read, gives me something to think about. I will say as a music lover though, the Beatles made sounds that were not common, and far from mainstream. Even if they were “manufactured”, they still had a lot of injinuty and inspired hundreds of millions, and helped spark the growth of a cultural phenom. every town in America is effected by. The garage band. They were talented..(ie. very difficult bar-chords with some amazing composure)
They may have been over-rated, but their influence is real. and that should count for something. The stones were burn outs. May have been cool, but trends change. The Beatles and their sell out tactics immortalized them.
Thursday, 1 May 2008 at 2:33 am
your insane. The beatles have sold more albums than than the rolling stonbes every year before and after their breakup. SUCKIT
Thursday, 1 May 2008 at 5:35 pm
Brilliant.
You recognise that the Beatles were original, influential and that they sold records and haircuts, and so I give you credit for that. I had to read this three times before I “got” what you were trying to do which was to explain what it was like for you back then. I guess we all make the mistake of using today’s eyes to look at the past, so it is enlightening to get a first-hand witness account that the Beatles were uncool. I found this interesting and a revelation. They were aimed at mods and girls! Of course! I hadn’t realsied, but it makes perfect sense!
It is not surprising because they were manufactured precisely to sell product and to appeal to a mass audience. Pop music means popular music, and this implies appealing to the lowest common denominator. THAT IS THEIR LEGACY. You might not like it, but you cannot deny that the Beatles changed everything and without them we would not have American Idol and the like.
Thursday, 1 May 2008 at 8:11 pm
Boyzone sells records, Michale jackson sells records but its all crap. Pocket money is spent on downloads and CDs. Quality music is never popular, but the bands last a long time and belief in what they are and do. Authentic and true, rock lives and will never die. Manufactured bands are short lived product. Quick shelf life my friend. We thank the beatles for the music business, but not for the music.
Thursday, 1 May 2008 at 11:44 pm
This is crap. Sure, everyone has thier opinion. That’s it. There is no science as to why some groups are more popular to others. It’s opinions. That’s what the whole world is run by. I could write a whole article on why the Rolling Stones are “bad”. But I guess you can waste your time trying to convince people that certain things are bad. Your probably a priest or some brainwashed Cristain, am I right?
Good Riddance, and I hope you find your lost life.
Friday, 2 May 2008 at 12:07 am
I hate the beatles man! I play guitar and I got a beatles chord book and it did my head in the chords were hard to play but i kept on until I got a new beatles chord book and the chords were different and easier being as how they put a capo on!!!! Can I tell you how cheated I felt at that point in my life. I watched beatles footage and no way Harrison and Lennon could play those hard chords. I even wonder that they really did write those songs even if they are no good. I got sick of it all at that point and was saved by Hendrix and Page and yes Clapton is god. Seek the truth and rock forever! Love the blog man!
Monday, 19 May 2008 at 4:43 pm
Whether you like their music is a personal preference of course. I find the Beatles’ music to be the most alarmingly well-crafted, original and thoughtful music I’ve heard to date, but if you don’t, well, I suppose it takes all sorts. However, the contention that they were ‘manufactured’ is extremely misleading and misses the point completely. Of course they started out as manufactured ‘mop tops’! What’s truly fascinating is how much they changed in such a short time, as you can hear the progression from album to album, all the while getting more daring, experimental, often ground-breaking – and all the while extremely melodic, consistently producing some of the most memorable and cherished compositions and melodies ever heard. To ignore their development as a band strikes me as simply wilfully ignorant. Hemun wrote “Quality music is never popular”, providing absolutely no justification for it. Ridiculous, and simply poorly thought out in my opinion!
Saturday, 31 May 2008 at 1:23 am
Okay….hate the Beatles…but I would bet that every band, group or singer that you absolutely adore, admire or absolutely “love” will credit The Beatles for their ability to play the music they are playing today……where does that leave you….?
Thursday, 19 June 2008 at 7:30 pm
Whether you like the Beatles or not, you have a lot of facts wrong when comparing them to the Rolling Stones. Look at who wrote the first two hit singles for Rolling Stones. That would be Lennon/McCartney. Look at every Rolling Stones album that came out a few months after the previous Beatles ones. Sgt Pepper ==> Satanic Majesties….Let it Be ==> Let it Bleed.
The Beatles breaking up was the greatest to happen for the Stones, because after that, they found themselves and put out their best work. They weren’t aping the Beatles.
Look at any archival footage of the events the Beatles used to have (All you need is love telecast, sgt. pepper recordings,etc.) and you’ll see Mick Jagger in the front row singing and clapping along. Read any interview, of the time and after, to see Mick described as a lap dog that followed them around everywhere.
Think whatever you want about the Beatles, but you’re argument about the Stones being so much better and not a processed boy band is wrong. You’re buying into the in vogue MYTH about the Stones. Check out their beginnings, they were just as put together as the Beatles were.
Sunday, 29 June 2008 at 7:29 pm
soo …. fuck off
fuckin american
stupid
alls
the beatles
best band in the historu of the music
ok
no comments
end the history
all us dont hate the beatles
better loveed
here suck
beatles 4ever
Monday, 30 June 2008 at 12:12 pm
@podcastrant.com
I think you just took the chance to voice your own opinion rather than make any point connected with the post. As far as I can tell the post here is a first-hand eye-witness account of someone who was actually there then and at the time. The reason for posts like this to to put the record straight or to correct the myths as you call them. You have “facts” but no personal experience.
Monday, 30 June 2008 at 12:20 pm
If this is how things were perceived back in the day, regardless of being right or wrong, then that is valuable history. The mods fought with the rockers, and why you liked the stones or the beatles is because they had different audiences. You see that here in the comments to this day!!!! However in rewriting history ppl are making out that everybody used to like the beatles, and I mean everybody, and that is not true. It has gotten so bad that nobody is allowed to speak out against them. The truth hurts sometimes…!!!
Monday, 30 June 2008 at 12:26 pm
pur—-lease! sgt Pepper vs satanic majesties? let it be vs let it bleed are u even serious???? u make it look like they are the same but they are not!!! crazy to make comparisons like that u dumb fart
Saturday, 19 July 2008 at 10:17 pm
Boy oh boy, how sad that some people can hate the band that probably saved our planet from nuclear war, well at least for one generation, how some forget and others are ignorant and because of that we are heading for a storm the likes this world has never seen and there are no Beatles to save us anymore, ponder that. I lived through the 60’s and yes the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, they are real and they are truly musical geniuses. I am so tired of trying to make people understand the value of the Beatles, it’s like trying to get people to believe in God, either you do or your lost. The best honor we can do ourselves as a civilization is to love one another, an attribute of both God and the Beatles.
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 at 3:17 am
I can`t STAND THE Beatles i MUCH MUCH MUCH More love the stones The stones came along and made beatles look LAME(which they were!!!)But really you ARE RIGHT AND I DON`T CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY THE BEATLES MUSIC IS GARBAGE!!!I DON`T LIKE THEM AT ALL :) HA HA
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 at 3:19 am
ONE MORE THING I GOT TO SAY
THE
BEATLES
WERE
THE
WORST
BAND
THAT
EVER
HIT
THE
SEEN
BEATLE FANS
GET
A LIFE THE BEATLES SUCK BIG TIME AND U KNOW IT
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 at 3:22 am
OK I KNOW I POSTED ALREADY I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT BLOG YOU ROCK
CHEERS
Monday, 1 September 2008 at 1:46 pm
You Should Be Shot. Scumbag.
Sunday, 7 September 2008 at 3:32 am
there really are some ignorant people in the world. listen to their music people. “Tomorrow Never Knows”, “I Am the Walrus”, “Helter Skelter”, “Across the Universe”, “Love You Too”, “Eleanor Rigby”, “Revolution #9″… those are definately not pop songs. The Beatles basically laid the groundwork for the experimental groups of the late 60s and 70s krautrock to the “alternative” rock of the 80s and 90s. i dont like the Beatles because everyone else likes them or because they sold millions of albums, its because i genuinely like their music and i find every song they made to be brilliant in its own way. and at Frank Black if your insinuating that they didnt play their own instruments, do some research and get real. John and George were brilliant, gifted musicians. George played guitar and sitar and John played guitar, bass, piano, organs, harmonica, clavioline, sax, bongos and congas, banjo, clavinet, harpsichord, programmed synthesizers and did ground-breaking experiments with tape loops.
Monday, 29 September 2008 at 12:56 pm
Great post. The Beatles were a rubbish manufactured band that coasted on the teenybopper market early on, then shifted to being hardcore hippies (complete with infatuation with mysticism, peace love and records for sale and all that rubbish) when the flower power hipster movement started getting popular.
You can’t get more mainstream, bland and boring than the Beatles.
Saturday, 4 October 2008 at 12:38 pm
This is brilliant, I feel honored for the opportunity to have read it. Your points are all 100% accurate, including your observations and revelations about the manufactured, mass marketed, moptop manipulation that forced this band on the public.
Its fascinating how your delirious and delusional detractors seem completely blind to the points you’ve made.
“Sure they we’re manufactured, but look how far they went”
“If they were no good, why did they sell so many albums?” That one always cracks me up.
At any rate, great work!
Thanks for the post.
-Das
Saturday, 4 October 2008 at 4:36 pm
@lolBeatles, to call the Beatles a manufactured band is simply not true. they had been playing together since the fifties when they were around 15 and John and George knew each other since they were little kids. They wrote and played their own material and were heavily involved in the production and engineering of their own songs. “Manufactured” bands like the Monkees and the Partridge family were assembled through auditions and had songs given to them to play. There were a ton of bands that came out after the Beatles trying to capitalize on their success by imitating them. And as for their look, their label early on wanted them to wear suits like every other band did, and they complied, but their hairstyles were their friend Astrid’s idea. As they became more popular their look changed to fit their actual personality and their label let them because they realized that it was the right thing to do, was to listen to the band that was getting all the good ideas and making money for them. no one picked out what the Beatles wore in their later years as the Beatles, they wore whatever they wanted. they were all genuinely interested in mysticism and stuff like that to varying degrees depending on the Beatle. if you say their music is bland or boring, you obviously havent heard very much beyond their “Beatles 1″ album stuff and the stuff they still like to play on the radio every now and then. And yes the Beatles were mainstream, simply because THEY CREATED THE MAINSTREAM. they were truly the first “alternative” rock band.
Saturday, 1 August 2009 at 5:49 am
At last – a writer with a BRAIN, in this strand!
Wednesday, 29 October 2008 at 7:59 am
Wow that was interesting, and a bit hurtful. You don’t mention anything about the personalities that created a lot of the Beatles’ greatness. They were after all great friends since a long time back in Hamburg (yes, Ringo too) and in pretty much all biographies the writers are on about how everyone who met them were mesmerized by the unique chemistry that kept them going during that many years (spending almost everyday together during long periods of time, then years – it would become a pain for any group of friends…)
And well, most great big bands are being ripped off. It’s much easier and gives more street cred to go with the underground. Abba for instance, back home here in Sweden they were seen as the lamest band ever, they didn’t become even “okay” until about ten years after the break-up…
Monday, 17 November 2008 at 7:28 pm
as inplied by my name i am a fan of metal music (thrash inparticular)
and i just have to say that though i can guess your all quite a bit older than me: grow the hell up.
I understand that this is quite a heated topic for many of you as no doubt as a child you constantly had to defend the beatles or the rolling stones to your “opposing faction”, but the fact remains that was a long time ago and wether or not you like it you cant change the fact that both of these bands have become legends in their own rights.
Though i wasnt there and i will probably get a response somewhen telling me i dont understand because of that but… you see i do understand because inevitably history repeats itself and the same (exactly the same) thing has happened with the likes of metallica, guns and roses and megadeth and still continues to happen today with newer bands of newer genres.
so grow the hell up and stop bitching because at the end of the day you ARE all entitled to your opinion BUT in the real world outside that of your own mind it doesnt mean a fucking thing.
Friday, 12 December 2008 at 9:22 pm
i think the beatles are the gayest band ever matter of fact they should even be considerate a band they suck
Friday, 12 December 2008 at 9:24 pm
The beatles were simply amazing.
Some people say they don’t like them just to be “differnt” and “original”,
but to say terrible and rude things about one of the most popular and legandary bands of all time is just stupid.
Keep your opinions to yourself and shut up.!
thanks.
Saturday, 13 December 2008 at 7:47 pm
true, true. the beatles were rubbish, i mean they all looked the same, they all spoke the same, they all dressed the same. it’s like they were invented for making money and as for they’re songs
‘yellow submarine’ ‘ob-la-di ob-la-da’ all you need is love’ ‘let it be’ they and the rest were rubbish. they were goody boys. the stones were the rock ‘n’ roll rebels. thts why the beatles were more popular.
if the beatles were wild like the stones, they wouldn’t of been tht popular.
long live the stones!
god bless brian jones!
i know, it’s only rock ‘n’ roll but i like it!
Saturday, 13 December 2008 at 7:49 pm
hahaha you think people who don’t like the beatles are pretending not to like them to be different!
hahahhaahahahahah thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard
Saturday, 13 December 2008 at 7:52 pm
the beatles are ‘rock ‘n’ roll’
hahahahahah
worst band ever.
Wednesday, 17 December 2008 at 11:49 am
1. Most people who claim The Beatles are bad or overrated are high school boys who think they’re “cool” by “touching the untouchable.”
2. The Beatles are, if anything, underrated. Yes. Underrated. What they did for music cannot be emphasized enough.
3. The Beatles launched the British Invasion. Without The Beatles’ single “I Want To Hold Your Hand,” chances are that The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Who, and other British artists never receive mainstream credibility in America.
4. The Beatles themselves were the first to admit that they weren’t the most talented musicians. This was the reason they were successful. They weren’t worried with music theory or anything. They just wrote down what they felt – the essence of music!
Wednesday, 17 December 2008 at 11:56 pm
Short lived???? It’s obvious that the author of this article needs institutionalization. Some prozac and a polo mallet might do the trick.
Sunday, 28 December 2008 at 5:07 am
Seeing the title of this article, I expected an opinion article, I was hoping however for a well-expressed opinion. My expectations were met; my hopes dwindled shortly after beginning to read. The underlying opinion in the article seems to be that ‘pop music’ is inherently bad, no explanations as to why can be found. The obvious opinions found are (begin each with “the Beatles are bad because”): they were ‘manufactured’; their personal styles mimicked that of their time; they had unsuccessful individual careers. No explanations are given to any of these. Who ‘manufactured’ the Beatles, does a band exist which was not manufactured by anyone (yes this includes being manufactured by a band member). The Beatles were around in a particular period, they were people, only a select few (which from your article it can be assumed were not as you indirectly described yourself as a ‘mod’ a second pop-culture of the period) did not mimic the styles of that time period. The Beatles were a team (a group of individuals to accomplish a common goal), the purpose of a team is to achieve something which one cannot do on their own, they supported each other, they made up for others’ deficiencies.
Of course if the author didn’t put in explanations for his opinions then we are to assume that no explanation exists. Absence of evidence is in fact evidence of absence.
Monday, 29 December 2008 at 12:37 am
I suspect people are not reading the comments before posting their own comments, and I also even suspect that most do not really read the original post properly, rather that they are either already a Beatles fan or they are not.
Monday, 29 December 2008 at 12:38 am
I better add that I am a Beatles fan!
Monday, 29 December 2008 at 12:57 am
I must say that most people I know respect the Beatles, and I admit that I thought that this was always the case, so it was interesting to me to find out that some people were rockers and hated the Beatles.
I appreciate what you are saying about how the Beatles were the first band to do all the things we expect pop bands to do even today. I hadn’t thought of it like that, but I see why you say they were “bad”, because they were the template for the manufacturing and mass-producing of bands and songs, and I hate all that.
As a musician myself I know that the business and marketing is a killer to real talent. The Beatles may have caused the Monkees, the Merseybeat and set of a chain of events leading to American Idol and X Factor. But at least the Beatles music was there…
But you suggest that they didn’t write their stuff, that it was George Martin!!!
You are the ONLY person ever to suggest that the songs were manufactured!
OK, I know they did write a lot of childish songs, even after the split, but you cannot expect every single song to be a diamond specially when they were so pioneering. I have heard too many experts, classical and jazz composers talking reverently about Lennon/McCartney that I cannot accept that they didn’t write the music.
Tuesday, 30 December 2008 at 1:24 am
“podcastrant.com Says:
Thursday, 19 June 2008 at 7:30 pm
Whether you like the Beatles or not, you have a lot of facts wrong when comparing them to the Rolling Stones. Look at who wrote the first two hit singles for Rolling Stones. That would be Lennon/McCartney. ”
T H A T I S U T T E R B U L L S H I T !
To set the record straight…
The Stones’s 1st single in June 1963 was Chuck Berry’s ‘Come On’.
Their 2nd single was in December, and was ‘I Wanna Be Your Man’ written by Lennon & McCartney.
The Rolling Stones’s new manager, Andrew Loog Oldham, then chose to promote the Stones as bad boys and the nasty opposite to the Beatles, and in the 1964 “British Invasion of the USA” they were “sold to the yanks” as polar opposite of the pop wholesomeness that was the “Fab Four Moptops”.
Their 3rd single was a HIT: in January 1964, their cover of Buddy Holly’s ‘Not Fade Away’ got them into the Top Ten for the first time (No 3 actually).
In April their 1st album was released in the UK, and they started their first North American tour in June as part of the “British Invasion” where the Beatles and the Stones hit the states at the exact same time as opposites of each other. This “Invasion” was a MASSIVE success for both The Beatles and The Rolling Stones; in Chicago, where the Stones had stopped off to record the Five by Five EP at the Chess Records studio, riots broke out when the band tried to give a press conference.
Next up, the Rolling Stones cover of the Bobby Womack / Valentinos song ‘It’s All Over Now’ was their 1st UK No1.
Their cover of the blues standard ‘Little Red Rooster’ also reached No1 in the UK but was banned in the USA because of its ‘objectionable lyrics’.
The Rolling Stones’s 1st USA Top 40 hit was their own ‘Tell Me (You’re Coming Back to Me)’ in August 1964.
From that point on, all but a handful of Rolling Stones hits were Jagger-Richards compositions.
I hate people who use made-up “facts” to try to support their stupid opinions. The history books show the truth. Check it out for yourself!
Angry Stones Fan
Tuesday, 30 December 2008 at 3:37 pm
“I hate people who use made-up “facts” to try to support their stupid opinions. The history books show the truth. Check it out for yourself!
Angry Stones Fan”
Yeah. The poster you’re responding to stated that the Stones’ first TWO hits were written by the Beatles, when really it was only ONE. Their entire argument stands or falls on this statement, and you have completely destroyed this argument by pointing out this HUGE mistake…
I Wanna Be Your Man was a hit, by the way (reached UK #20, I believe).
But I really loved this excerpt: “The Rolling Stones’s new manager, Andrew Loog Oldham, then chose to promote the Stones as bad boys and the nasty opposite to the Beatles, and in the 1964 “British Invasion of the USA” they were “sold to the yanks” as polar opposite of the pop wholesomeness that was the “Fab Four Moptops”.
LOL. But it was only the Beatles that were a sold-out, manufactured group, while the Stones were a real band, right? If that’s the case, what exactly should the Beatles have done to overcome this manufactured-ness? Sold themselves as a “nastier” group to guise the fact that they were just as manufactured as their collegial opponents?
I love the Stones just like I love the Beatles, but you Stones-only fans are deceiving yourselves if you truly think that the Stones were more genuine than the Beatles. That’s like arguing that New Kids on the Block were more genuine than the Backstreet Boys because the fomer was “nastier” than the latter.
Both the Beatles and the Stones entered the music scene as it was at the time- full of manufactured groups-, sold themselves in a way that would get their music heard, and then went on to write and perform some of the greatest music we’ll ever know.
Thursday, 15 January 2009 at 5:13 pm
A good article to gain attention for your blog, but definitely one angry old dude’s opinion :P Paul McCartney tickets today sell for 150$ a pop, meaning that his solo career is doing ok (if I know anything about the music business). John Lennon has a memorial in Central Park. Not much to say about Ringo’s solo release though…But, George’s solo work is outstanding! If you haven’t check that stuff out, put down your wings album and have a listen to the most underrated Beatle :D
Monday, 2 February 2009 at 8:25 pm
I’m 56 and English, so I was THERE (man). Your article was actually quite fair and made some good points, but as a guy who just likes good MUSIC (and therefore likes The Stones AS WELL) I have to point out a few things…
First, a factual inaccuracy: the Beatles did NOT refuse their MBEs (they’re like a mini-knighthood). What happened was, they ACCEPTED them – then a few old farts who objected to OBEs being awarded to “a beat combo” rather than brave soldiers, sent THEIRS BACK – then John sent HIS back in protest at Britain’s support of the Vietnam War.
As for The Fab Four’s REAL output, it was 200-odd fantastic SONGS – written by two of the greatest song-writers who EVER LIVED. Lennon and McCartney. And a third, George Harrison, who, if the Beatles had never existed, would have been a major star in his own right.
Anchored by the SUPERB drumming of Ringo – and enhanced by the genius of their producer, George Martin, they deservedly RULED the pop-charts to a level that had never been SEEN before and will never be achieved AGAIN.
Of course, forty years on, some of their material has not worn well – although a lot HAS. And of course, the SYSTEM exploited the HELL out of them. Cartoons, TV, merchandising, etc.
But beyond all that was the INCREDIBLE output of those two HUNDRED-odd songs. It was a phenomenon that will NEVER be equalled in pop.
They were asked to knock out some songs for “Hard Day’s Night” (the best pop film EVER) and in just TWO WEEKS, they composed and recorded ALL the songs used in the film – plus a load more. Modern groups want three months just to do ONE TRACK.
AND one must not forget “Beatlemania”. The hysterical screams that reflected the sheer POWER of the group. It’s impossible to convey this to anyone who wasn’t there, so I’ll not try. Suffice to say, The Stones NEVER had THAT.
Sure, their NOISY fan-base was pre-pube girls, but their full appeal went right across the board. ALL ages. Why? Again, those SONGS.
Luckily, George Martin insisted upon the best facilities for his boys – and kept the original tapes in tiptop condition. Thus, today YOU can get compilation CDs, put ‘em on your Dolby ProLogic II (if you own one) and hear the material like it was recorded YESTERDAY.
Finally, yes, they only lasted 7-8 years, but given their diversity of musical talent – and the ENORMOUS pressures placed upon them – the World is lucky they lasted THAT long.
And whilst The Stones may still be rocking, all their BEST stuff was recorded contemperaneously with said Mop-Tops. Their output SINCE has been little more than you would expect from what they now are: a bloody good veteran BLUES BAND!
Saturday, 4 April 2009 at 10:25 pm
My god, all you people who say that the Beatles “suck” or are some “manufactured pop band” are idiots! And you’re wrong. Go ahead and listen to “Revolver” or “Abbey Road” and you’ll see just how great the Beatles really are.
Tuesday, 7 April 2009 at 11:54 am
You are delusional! The Beatles Rock!
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 2:06 am
wow! i love how you voice your opinions! But if you want this to be a good blog get some facts! You said nothing but your own opinion. You want to be a good writer, think about doing research first. The rolling stones were the biggest druggys ever in history. Their rythym guitarist died of drugs. Jimi Hendrix O.D.’s and drinks himself to death. Drowning in his own wine. Yeah the beatles did drugs, but they were classy guys and made music people love. So there is my thoughts of you. And your whole thing about the stones being “cool” and only girls listening to the beatles, is anothere point to which you have no facts. I know many many adults who love the beatles and they’re men. You think boys watched the stones, well unless you want to watch a Mcjagger rip off his shirt and watch that, go to a gay strip club.
Thursday, 21 May 2009 at 3:07 pm
FUCK THE ROLLING STONES!!! the rolling stones were shit. they had no talent. all they would do was this hard rock n roll shit when it wasnt. fuck rock n roll. The beatles played MUSIC! They didnt title anything. they just played because they WERE INCREDIBLY TALENTED you dumb ass. Have you ever looked at the front of the Sgt. PEppers album. Look towards the right center on a ragdoll on the floor that is wearing a sweater that says, “welcome the rolling stones”. the stones sucked so bad they had to have the beatles mention their names so people could buy their shit. Damn you Piss Me Off!!!!
Sunday, 21 June 2009 at 3:47 pm
The beatles were an over-rated pop group? Piss off you prick you know fuck all. To this very day they still live on and are still played. I suggest you go kill yourself
Thursday, 25 June 2009 at 6:46 pm
Wow that was terrible. Not because you dont like the Beatles, but because of the simple inaccuracies you use to support your argument. Plus the overall aggressive tone makes it seem like youre the one with something to prove. Chill out, no one gives a shit what bands you like.
Thursday, 25 June 2009 at 10:09 pm
Know that you will never win. No one is allowed to say anything against the Beatles. It dont matter that a lot of people hated them during the lifetime of the group, the truth is that since then no one is allowed to speak out against them. What you remember is false… you really loved the Beatles back in the day, didnt you, and no one liked Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix or the Stones!!! If you dont agree with my love of the greatest ever rock band ever (the Beatles) then go fuck yourself with a rusty bread knife because you deserve to fucking die a horrible death with your family all mutilated and bloody you bastard rot in hell you pus boil anus sucker!!!!!!!!!! death to the infidel!!! down with Britain!
Saturday, 27 June 2009 at 5:27 pm
I-Atolahomenaceeeeeed, please don’t be an idiot. No one is saying the OP has no right to say anything against the Beatles, dislike them, or like any other group. Doing any of that is absolutely fine. We’re simply requesting that when someone offers this type of argument, it actually make sense.
Tuesday, 7 July 2009 at 7:52 pm
Woah, how can you say the Beatles sucks? Dude…. you suck.
End of it, period.
Saturday, 11 July 2009 at 4:05 am
Wow this is a terrible terrible summary of the Beatles. 4 of the finest talents in music history.
Thursday, 30 July 2009 at 11:04 pm
The Rolling Stones better than the Beatles? Yeah right…that’s rediculous. The Beatles completely changed their music every year and The Rolling Stones followed their example because everyone loved it. They may not have been as skilled as Hendrix or Clapton but they definitely innovated the crap out of rock and roll and are the best song-writers ever. I do like the Rolling Stones but no one can compare to what the Beatles did.
Wednesday, 26 August 2009 at 3:03 am
I don’t like the stones or the beatles too much, both are a bit overated I think. You can’t deny the beatles influence on other artists but you can’t really deny their re-packaging of pre-existing musical ideas into an easier to swallow format for the masses either. Their impact was a bit swings and roundabouts as they made it harder for some of the better stuff at the time to come through but did give a lot of the guys the courage to do what they wanted. That said they weren’t a bad band and did have some original ideas but nothing to justify the fanatical following they get. For a pop song give me ‘God Only Knows’ over any beatles song any day, although the fact that the beach boys wanted to be like the beatles doesn’t escape me and has got to speak for something.
Thursday, 3 September 2009 at 3:25 am
No, Niall, you definitely can’t deny that that the Beatles did “re-package” a lot of preexisting musical ideas; a lot of people have made that kind of point (in fact, I swear I read an almost identical comment elsewhere on the internet, which also referenced their music being “easier to swallow” and “for the masses”). Then again, you can’t deny that they came up with a crap load of those musical ideas themselves. The fanatical following they get is from that fact, combined with their strong catalog of tunes (amassed in a mere 7 years), combined with their overall effect on music (and even society) as a whole. Personally I believe that God Only Knows is one of the greatest pieces ever written (and not just in terms of pop songs), but give me a Day in the Life any day! But, hey, that’s why we’re all entitled to our own opinions, right? In fact, I’ve always thought Pet Sounds was better than Rubber Soul … it’s just no Revolver.
Regardless, a good contribution to an interesting discussion.
Saturday, 5 September 2009 at 8:14 pm
The chart of the USA All Times Top Ten Albums is as follows (note that the Beatles are at No. 7):
01. EAGLES, EAGLES/THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971 – 1975 (27.0m)
02. JACKSON, MICHAEL, THRILLER (26.0m)
03. PINK FLOYD, THE WALL (23.0m)
04. LED ZEPPELIN, LED ZEPPELIN IV (22.0m)
05. JOEL, BILLY, GREATEST HITS VOLUME I & VOLUME II (21.0m)
06. AC/DC, BACK IN BLACK (19.0m)
07. BEATLES, THE, THE BEATLES(19.0m)
08. TWAIN, SHANIA, COME ON OVER (18.0m)
09. FLEETWOOD MAC, RUMOURS (18.0m)
10. HOUSTON, WHITNEY, THE BODYGUARD (SOUNDTRACK) (17.0m)
Shania Twain, for example, sold nearly as many records as the Beatles, but she did so in a fraction of the time and in a much more competitive market with Satellite TV, MTV, videos, awards shows, downloads and diverse categories
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 2:57 am
Fac toid: so Shania sold nearly as many records as the Beatles in a fraction of the time?
What exactly was that “fraction” of a time frame? And really, how much more competitive was the market for her than it was for the Beatles in the sixties? Shania was competing against modern pop, not against the likes of the Rolling Stones, the Who, Zeppelin, Hendrix, Dylan, etc.; futhermore, she, unlike the Beatles, sold her albums in a time in which selling that amount of albums was a rather mainstreem- though significant- accomplishment, not an unheard-of accomplishment, as it was for the Beatles, when “rock” wasn’t as mainstream as it currently is.
And really, let’s not forget that the Beatles are the biggest selling aritst of all time, who have the biggest selling CD of the 2000s, and who are now staged to become the best-selling artist of this decade.
I’m usually not one to tout album sales as an indicator of greatness, or even a lack thereof. But when it comes to that factor, the Beatles destroy the Rolling Stones, and most everyone else.
Tuesday, 20 October 2009 at 10:57 pm
Zachary, The Beatles took 41 years to sell 19 million copies, compared with Shania Twain, who took just 12 years to sell 18 million copies. That’s almost as many in a fraction of the time. It is silly to compare the markets because the Beatles had no competition. Hendrix, The Who and so forth were not pop acts trying to chart, they were not producing single after single like the Beatles, they did not market haircuts and suits, have cartoons or films. Shania Twain sold her millions of records in direct competition with a massive pop market machine, producing American Idols, Pop Idols, MTV rappers, nostalgia, plus new dance and electronic markets, and indeed in an era of perfect digital duplication by means of computers and CDs (in other words, she sold that many in spite of illegal downloads and CD rips), an amazing feat by anyone’s standards.
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 12:02 am
Margaret Blackley,
The Beatles sold 19 million copies of ONE of their albums (and, by the way, they had sold 10 million copies of that album in 11 years; not too shabby). Granted, it was their best-selling album, but their overall album sales total in the hundreds of millions. So, again, while I’m not convinced that album sales prove anything regading a band’s talent or greatness, if you’re going to take them into consideration, you have to recognize that no one comes close to the Beatles.
Furthermore, your point regarding the Beatles’ competition is interesting, but I’m not really sure its basis. Why were the Beatles “pop acts trying to chart” while other groups were not? Just because you say so? Actually, the Stones, the Who, Dylan, Hendrix, etc. were exactly that: popular acts trying to sell and chart, and they released a plethora of singles throughout the sixties that directly competed with the Beatles. But, simply put, the Beatles singles performed better. I don’t see how that’s any mark against them.
Also, I’m not entirely sure what the suits, haircuts and movies prove. Some of their competition dressed in suits (see the Yardbirds, for example), some sold their own image (see the Stones- the NAUGHTY alternative to the Beatles), and others performed in their own films (see the Small Faces). Sure, the Beatles did it better than the others, but the competition was still there. If it wasn’t, you’d think at least one other act from that “easy” era would show up on that list. But alas, only the Beatles do.
It’s also worth noting that the Beatles, just a month or two ago, sold roughly 2.25 millions albums in five DAYS. So here the Beatles are, still setting records despite all of the competition you point out. Something tells me Shania Twain won’t be setting new records like that in forty or fity years.
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 12:08 am
Oh, and by the way, I’m not trying to take away from Shania’s accomplishment; it’s impressive in its own right. I’m just not entirely sure what it has to do with the Beatles.
Tuesday, 8 September 2009 at 4:58 pm
I agree totally! The guy that wrote this is a wizard. I could have not said it better. They sold more records of course, they had every little girl in the world buying their albums. The Beatles are incredibly, incredibly overrated and people JUST need to forget about them!
Thursday, 10 September 2009 at 7:11 pm
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Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 2:57 am
“They sold more records of course, they had every little girl in the world buying their albums.”
You seem dumb. And clearly, you know nothing about the sixties, or rock as it was during that period.
HTFH.
Tuesday, 3 November 2009 at 7:15 pm
Thanks for the laugh everyone. :)